I don’t like this one bit, neither does my mom or dad or sister , when you say something against Dubai or Arabs or Muslims I take it personally!!! And frankly doesn’t make too much sense … I don’t think people stopped traveling to India when Kargill was happening and it was the country involved!!!… Iraq, Israel, Lebanon ..they are no where near Bahrain or Doha or Abu Dhabi….
Oh well, I just feel everyone else is losing something by not wanting to Fly Buy Dubai!!!!
Anyway what George Bush is saying doesn’t help much :
08.11.2006
Can I Ask A Dumb Question? What's An Islamic Fascist?
James Boyce
"The Islamo-fascists are fighting us on an asymmetrical, global battlefield that spans from Baghdad to Pakistan to Indonesia to the streets of London. To retreat from any battlefront where we are engaged with this enemy is foolish and reckless."--Wade Zirkle, Veterans For Freedom, a Republican-led 527, August 11, 2006.
"The recent arrests that our fellow citizens are now learning about are a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation." President George Bush, August 11, 2006
"In World War II we fought Nazism and Japanese imperialism. Today, we are fighting against Islamic fascism," Senator Rick Santorum, Republican Senator, July 20, 2006
Islamic Fascism. I have never heard the phrase and I evidently didn't get the memo from the RNC detailing its use (the DNC sends out memos on Together, America Can Do Better - the RNC plays a different game.) I envision millions of good Republicans out there nodding their heads in agreement - after all, can you imagine a world run by Islamic Fascists? Hitler dressed like Osama? Can you goosestep in those robes he wears? Frankly, we can hardly afford to find out. If we don't fight these here Islamic Fascists over there, well, you know the rest. But before we fight an phrase that doesn't exist or apparently make any sense, I decided to take a moment to make sure I wasn't missing anything.
As my first grade teacher used to tell me, if you don't understand a sentence or a word, try breaking it down. First, Islam. Now, Islam is one of the world's oldest and most revered religions. One definition of Islam is a monotheistic religion characterized by the acceptance of the doctrine of submission to God and to Muhammad as the chief and last prophet of God.
So we have one of the world's most popular religions functioning as an adjective creating a new type of Fascism. There was German Fascism, Italian Fascism but I can't find any evidence of there ever being any form of Fascism based upon religion. Furthermore, I have deduced that the reason it is not Fascist Islam is that Islam is an older as a religion than Fascism is as as system of government so Islam goes first. I know it sounds stupid, but it's the best I can do, being a Democrat and all.
Next word, Fascism. Fascism is defined as a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
Put the two together and you have? Well, a system of government oppressively controlled through terror and censorship where the religion is Islam and there's a policy of belligerent nationalism. But Osama Bin Laden does not run a government, the terrorists in Iraq aren't a government, the 9/11 hijackers weren't fascists, so who are the Republicans saying is a threat here?
Sounds to me like we're not fighting terrorists anymore, because it sure sounds to me like we're about to fight Iran.
From Here
( sidenote ..i don’t have a problem with Iranians either… I’m not too sure about their regime, but the people are pretty cool!!)
10 comments:
when you say something against Dubai or Arabs or Muslims I take it personally
How about considering moving to Saudi Arabia whose idea of women's freedoms might be significantly to your liking !
I hope people like him would not count among your heros -
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=2&subID=46&WT.srch=1
Women’s rights may be rather dismal in poorer parts of the Muslim world, I would count Pakistan ,Afghanistan on top of that list… Apart from Burkha wearing and id carrying restrictions which btw is enforced only in Saudi Arabia, and you can get around those if you live in a foreign neighborhood (I think).. women enjoy a good amount of freedom in the Middle East…at least it’s not worse than it is in India.
Peace.
Man the same way Narendra Modi gives me the creeps… so does the person in the above link ..I think we all know this…someone’s brainwashing the poor and uneducated but we can’t classify an entire group of people based on that .
Would be as free ( or about as free ) in Saudi Arabia as you would in NYC/Bangalore would be a better question to ask.
Without freedom of religion ( that should include atheism/agnosticism etc. ), movie theatres banned, restricted music industry, microlevel censorship in several spheres of society ( from govt. and male family members) and a whole lot of restrictions in the name of a static 1400 old dogmas, I wonder if you would feel at home. If you do, there either somebody else is authoring your blog posts or the adatabilty you show borders on a MPD/MPO !
You might then argue that its what the people have chosen or rather chosen to live with and who are we to impose something - then well, its a different thing and my argument doesnt hold. Infact I am not at all for trying to poke our noses into their affairs - I cudnt care two hoots for people who dont care themselves.
But then it would be hard to justify that "women enjoy a good amount of freedom in the Middle East…at least it’s not worse than it is in India." - you can only say that you would feel as much at home in the ME as u wud in India. That would be a tribute to your ability not women's rights as we know.
I really wont take sides here. Narendra Modi is ofcourse in the same league - no two things about it. Thankfully there is just one such modi.....he will hopefully be gone sooner or later...but there are plenty of the other variety.
Atleast nobody promises non-islamic religionists that blowing up yourselves in order to blow up a whole lot of other people is a sure-shot way of granting oneself heaven.
I would not be surprised if we find numbers to prove the hypothesis that organized religion has been responsible for more deaths in history than any other single cause. Maybe we can divert some funds from AIDS/cancer research to curing this centuries old disease. You may then argue that religious humanism/agnosticism/non-religous humanism/aethism on as large a scale as organized religion would be just as bad....well, maybe but its gotten so bad already, we can give it a try atleast.
I have spent 18 years of my life in the Middle East, in Dubai to be precise, so in most respects that is ‘home’ for me.. and yes I would have all the bias any other person would have to the place they spent their childhood in.. having said that my parents don’t stay in the middle east any more ..there are reasons for that and therefore I would say I don’t suffer from major illusions/delusions.
Would be as free (or about as free) in Saudi Arabia as you would in NYC/Bangalore would be a better question to ask.
I’ve never put my feet in a muslim girls shoes, but I think a majority of them are darn happy with their religion, and display their love rather openly..i really don’t think it is for us ‘non-beleivers’ to dissect their beliefs….
Without freedom of religion – Dubai has lots and lots of churches there is even a temple ,only religion you cant practice there is Judaism.
movie theatres banned- Havent heard of this happning !!they do block websites though!!!
restricted music industry- naah Arabic music is pretty happening
microlevel censorship in several spheres of society ( from govt. and male family members) –sure I had black marks in my textbooks and magazines censoring stuff but I’ll give you an example ..I hope you don’t think I encourage divorce or something but I know lots of Muslim girls who have had an arranged marriage and for some reason felt like leaving and could; they got remarried ( arranged )very soon after…I can’t imagine this happening in India ..It’s probably not the best example… but my muslim aunties don’t seem very different from my mother and my muslim peers have lives rather similar to my hindu friends , both traditional and not traditional ones .. I don't see any major differences, Islam as a religion does afford women a fair amount of freedom… many might disagree and they have left the fold, though I agree maybe leaving the fold is easier in India for a hindu woman than a muslim one… I never had a muslim person not speak to me because I was hindu…. I don’t know how it is the other way round .
I also feel that India as a country has some way to go before it can be compared to NYC with regards to the independence and respect women are afforded.
adaptability you show
yup . I’m a very adaptable person, my blog posts reflect an ideal ( a utopia if you will) I try to maintain in my mind ..they are personal values I selfishly would impose only on myself, maybe with varying degrees of success , ..everyone else is open to their own opinion, and my thoughts are pretty normal. .I don’t think of my self as a radical with regards to women’s issues. I hope none of you think I am !! But yes I wish I could convince others with regards to religious ones..
I would not be surprised if we find numbers to prove the hypothesis that organized religion has been responsible for more deaths in history than any other single cause. Maybe we can divert some funds from AIDS/cancer research to curing this centuries old disease. You may then argue that religious humanism/agnosticism/non-religous humanism/aethism on as large a scale as organized religion would be just as bad....well, maybe but its gotten so bad already, we can give it a try atleast.
Yup totally agree with you here.. though even Christianity had the history of the crusades ( just to give one example) … religion is personal and should be kept at home and in you heart .
I reckon though cannot prove that women is pakistan (pakistan and sindh not perhaps the pushtun areas) and iran have more freedom than those in arab middle east..... Even within radical islam, the arabic version seems to me as rather restrictive.
I was referring to the my ‘feudal lord situation’ in Pakistan… I believe Egyptians , emaratis , Lebanese, Palestinians ..they follow pretty much the same rules as any other practitioners.. i think that’s the unifying factor…. There are no different “versions”.. they are all Muslims, irrespective of class, nationality, color etc etc
Sharath....Saudi Arabia is not the only country in the world that represents the muslim community!!.....the muslim community goes way beyond the arab world.And growing up in Saudi Arabia I know better about life there, than you ever will!
Hey we dont have a problem with them following whatever their religion preaches...as long as they keep it to themselves. The problem is that these days the terror attacks happening here are not carried out by outsiders......it is done by the Indian muslims. If that is all the regard they have for their motherland, then i think we are justified in being prejudiced against them. And let us not talk bout them being opressed and stuff. Everyone knows it doesnt happen here in India...so they can stop pretending. They hold their religion above everything ...even their country n that is not acceptable.......And yea i have Muslim friends too....But everytime i go to a mall, i dont wannna wonder if i'll get out in one piece....
i'm seriously considering deleting comments !! because my views still are in total opposition to some mentioned here... but that would affect y'alls right to free speech..
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