Because a lot of work is due this weekend, and because I blog only when I have piles of other work to be done… I thought it would be a good time to post……
I’ve made a conscious attempt not to post on marriage, I have to look back ;but I’m quite sure I haven’t posted, I post on love often ,yea, but not marriage( or rather the state of possible impending marriage ), the reasons being :
1) It’s the single most depressing topic I think I can blog about.
2) So many other folks I know have written much better about it than I possibly could…
Anyway ever since I graduated from under grad , the topic of marriage was always ominously looming , but I think I fully got into all this matrimonial ickyness only recently , maybe I’m in the race too late, but that’s totally my fault because I wasn’t open to getting married till about six months ago, and I think my parents were chill because I was , but when seven of my friends got hitched in the same week ,it was a bit too much to take ( you know all that peer pressure stuff).
Anyway so I was thinking, there’s so much pressure to get married , not so much from my parents , but we get it on all sides from family and friends .
Let me clear at the outset that a vast majority of the marriages I know off are very happy ones ,that's precisely the problem for me as a girl , because , in the pool of eligible matches ,all the good guys are taken or Gay, but in India , even the Gay guys are taken !
I’m the first admit it’s not as if I have a long line of guys waiting outside my door waiting to get married to me!!! But all this marketing stuff really gets to me , I mean who was that who said the ratio of women to men in India was low ,sure doesn’t seem like that!!!
So what are the marketing strategies I’ve personally had to deal with in search of that “one proposal that works!!”,( as an aside isn’t it the scariest thing in the world getting married to a stranger…I mean parents do background check and all , but I’ve seen some real loons get married , poor girl!!):
1) Being able to pay heaploads of dowry, if you can do that the rest of the stuff below doesn’t matter .
2) I don’t know what happened to chivalry, it certainly is dead amongst some Indian men , I mean when my parents ask if a certain guy who they’ve passed on my number to, who I’m not extremely interested in but my parents are fixated on, has called and I tell them he hasn’t ,they suggest that maybe I should email him, suggesting that the guys mum says that “He’s shy and cant really call up girls” ..well first of all I certainly don’t buy that , and second of all, “OK Aunty ,your son is shy, even I am shy”, I don’t know who the onus goes to in our supposed “male dominated society”, to make that call ..ofcourse it is another thing if he doesn’t want to call…
3) I don’t have much of a past, but it seems having one certainly brings down your chances of getting married , I don’t know when India will reach a point where you marry a person for who they are and not for what you think is their lack of life experiences, of course if you satisfy the dowry criteria all this really doesn’t matter, (seriously dowry, the fact that parents have to save their entire lives to marry of their daughters , I really don’t wonder why the status of women is what it is .)
4) See I’m a traditionalist , I don’t use the internet to date guys , I prefer to meet them or use traditional sources, so when people who personally haven’t used the internet to marry off their kids suggest that I should use the internet, I get more than a little irritated , why didn’t they start the revolution and marry off their kids that way?
5) I don’t know how guys can scope out so many girls , like they are buying a car or something ..this is what makes me sad , I mean really sad , like literally my heart is weeping, because in essence the same thing is going to happen to me ….so I hear of this guy , that after rejecting a dozen or so girls because she was (insert suitable adjective) too ( short, tall, dark ,fair , fat , thin , uneducated, educated , fast, slow, astrologically incompatible…..), the guy sees me fit for consideration, at the end of this ploy to promote a guys “popularity” , should I be happy for being bestowed such an honor , feel bad for the girls who have a total strangers sympathy for not getting married to some one, or feel like punching the said guy in the face!!!
And in the end what is all this for ???
Even after people get married they’re happy 95% of the time but for 5% of the time the keep groaning for the rest off their lives over there “fate” , all this lamenting seriously puts me off marriage all together…..who told them to get married in the first place , no way I want to end up like that, people should hold some responsibility for how their lives are!!!
I guess the problem lies because we Indians are conditioned to believe that marriage is the end of all your problems , the way I see it , I have my own set of problems , a guy has his, if we get married that just doubles the number of problems in life , unless you have something strong to pull you through all this , it’s a bad situation to get into..
Well that’s my analysis so far, more as I get further into the process .I’m 'for' marriage no one wants to be alone….. but i'm also for being happily single forever if the other option was to get married to a totally wrong person.Gosh these problems are so uniquely indian , my Kiwi friends would probably think i'm mad for even considering these things, i'm not saying Alabama, because they are more tradional and "Indianlike" to some extent in the South.
To quote something my nineteen year old girl cousin posted in an Orkut forum:
" in desperate need of "decent,intellectually stimulating, non conservative!!! "enter community/caste name "!.. d only ---- guys i know hwo can keep up a good interesting ,, stimulatin n witty conversation in normal ENGLISH(no corny one liners pls) besides being decently good lookin( yes ,, ill admit .. i am a lilllll superficial..hehe) are my own cusin brothers!!!! anyone here or anywhere! who cud prove me worng???"
Not entirely true..but not entirely false either.....
I know lots of people who have it good , God bless them!!Their arranged marriage was the best thing that happened to them , but I’m sure many people have to go through this irritating stuff as well …
I’ve read that chick based blogs are the least frequently read, and I guess I do a lot of male bashing , hopefully should post more positive stuff later!!!
Recommended reading :These posts by Meghna:
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15 comments:
a very very interesting topic to post on... something i have never given thought to and will probably never need to for the next 3years(atleast), after which my parents are probably gonna start(well unless ofcourse i find myself a girl, which is highly improbable)
just though about something you wrote here....
I have my own sets of problems , a guy has his, if we get married that just doubles the number of problems in life , unless you have something strong to pull you through all this , it’s a bad situation to get into..
when people say things become easier after marriaige, me thinks what they mean is, you find somebody who can share your problems.... and you his/her. things become easier for the both of you... and yeah you can always argue saying you have friends or siblings or parents with who you can do the same.... but i guess marraige is something totally unique!!
damn!! and why is my comment so long if i've never given thought to marraige!!!!
smart article..yes, what you worry about does seem to be the norm here even after all these years.. it's always gonna be about taking the leap rather than picturing yourself fallen on the ground already and thus avoiding the jump alltogether.
@ Aythida – yes ‘someone you have who you can depend on to share your problems’ usually works in favour of the guy because he seems spoilt for choice… for a girl its usually someone she has to marry to please her parents or because she isn’t sure if anyone else will marry her..such a forced marriage doesn’t bode well for future problem sharing/solving
@ roshan “it's always gonna be about taking the leap rather than picturing yourself fallen on the ground already and thus avoiding the jump altogether” well yeah maybe the latter is my attitude at present , but I do think I have sufficient reasons to believe so…..
for a girl its usually someone she has to marry to please her parents or because she isn’t sure if anyone else will marry her
i agree this used to happen a few years back, but this is not the case with most women these days.
offlate a lot of girls have managed to change the mindset of some very adamant fathers/mothers....the working woman is so much more independent and the thought process is very different compared to the traditional housewife...
there are still a lot of cases where girls are forced to marry somebody their parents like...no denying that.... but i think the number is coming down .... pretty fast too
Arranged marriages are like gambling. U never know what is instored for you. I cannot say of others.. but can proudly say that i hv hit a jackpot :)
arrey yaar .. i know that :)...i dunno how lucky i am with all this lottery stuff :))
Good post Nats...totally agree with you :)
I am surprised to see that this post did not start with a wiki definition, may be it came straight from your heart or bundled up frustration. A couple of my colleagues and friends went from single to committed (officially)and here are some of the things that I observed (keeping in line with your post)...
1)Dowry - most of today's guys really are not for it, and the guys who ask don't really desrve it, but its the parents that push for it. We spent so much on his education, blah, blah , blah... I had heard of a girl who would ask "will you sell your son to me in exchange of the dowry ?" Some guys don't want dowry they want a hen that lays golden eggs.
2)Chivalry - agree lot of guys are not chivalrous but don't confuse chivalrous with flirtation. I have seen many tears because of that. Moreover, to begin a relationship everyone wants the other person to make the first move, it gives them jitters to propose (for the fear of rejection), but eveyone wants to be proposed(it makes you feel special), they also believe that you understand all signals and vibes that they send, but will not respond to any of yours. Trust me, eyes speak only when the ice has been broken.
3)Past - I pity the girls, and I am surprise to see that guys object if a girl has some past but a girl is supposed to be OK if a guy has a past. Exceptions though apply. I remember one of my friends saying that there should be some sort of a carfax database where one could check the history of girls. I asked will it be okie if you had one for guys ? You would have guessed what his answer was.
4)Using the net or not using it is ur personal choice. Some people use it cause it gives more access to a bigger pool and keep away from the relatives pressure.
5)Filtering out so may girls -agree, most of them want Aishwarya Rai with a bank account of Ophra. I know guys who have seen more than 100 girls and in the end just caved in who was nothing compared to what they had met before. I agree this is sad :-(.
6) Age - I don't have a opinion on this yet, but I would say if your wavelengths match and feel both are at a equal maturity then things should be fine.
7)Caste/creed - personal choice I don't want to start a war here.
You also mentioned that most of the good guys are taken, hey even the guys feel that most of the good girls are taken. Personally, let me know if you know of any good girl who is single :-).
Also everyone wants to share their sorrows, everybody wants to run away from them , but if both of you can understand and share life's little responsibilites and face each others sorrows together , love will be at your doorstep.
There is a saying in hindi , "shaadi ek aise ladoo hai jo khai to pachtai, jo nahi khai whoa bhi pachtai".
Anyway, all the best, hope you find your soul mate soon. May all the stars, planets, asteroids, fortune cookies and the soul of Benjamin Franklin be with you.
Thanks and Regards.
Vivek
@Vivek Thanks :)
The problem space is common, the journey towards it too.
The difference in social phenomena can be evidently differentiatied with the issue carried upon! A dad in India(can i say Asia) feels done with his responsibility once he's got his offspring married, whereas an American dad is less bothered with what his kid is doin! Dad for the male dominated part of it!
No chivalry, cause you asked for it after terming that popular MCP acronym.
Hey nice article! Addresses a common problem, not common wid me at the present though! Written better than a few others that i bumped into!
By all means marry. If you get a good hubby, you'll be happy. If you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher.
Socrates
HEY AKKA, VERY WELL WRITTEN POST.
BUT I KNOW YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR IN THE END.
GOD BLESS YOU!
You forgot to mention abt those sissy guys who say they arent for dowry but their parents want it cos. they have to get his sister married off or they paid so much for his sister's marriage. Spineless guys !!
Enough of male bashing, - now think about this - have you ever come across alliances where the mother of the boy refuses dowry, while the father and/or son insists on it ? How often have prospective mom-in-laws ( boy's moms ) taken a stand against dowry ? Hard, because for that is being said - the status of women in India is next to nothing when it comes to decisions that matter. That one woman became a pilot/executive banker says almost NOTHING for the status of women in India - these are statistical outliers. Much more indicative would be if women are allowed a veto in decisions that matter as above.
Now Natasha, this is simplifying things a bit too much - isnt it ?
the way I see it , I have my own set of problems , a guy has his, if we get married that just doubles the number of problems in life , unless you have something strong to pull you through all this , it’s a bad situation to get into..
Problems additive ? arithmetically ? geometrically ? :) I dont want to judge your position from the 2 lines disregarding the rest of the post ..but I am sure you dont mean that..do you :)
Yes I know mothers of the boys are the biggest culprits, its so difficult to even begin to understand when older ladies justify dowry and the haggling that goes on, for lack of a better word could I put it down to lack of ‘empathy’, my mom has literally told aunts who were like this “ if you people (parents with sons )( disclaimer : not all parents of sons are like this !!) talk like this , what are we folks with only daughters supposed to do?”( all this sounds mighty lame and pathetic …. In our heads all of us are thinking … “Give me a break, "and rolling our eyes!!) ….
This is precisely the reason parents keep trying and increase India’s population till they get a boy, They should probably adopt one so they can collect dowry and marry off their daughters!!!
“the way I see it , I have my own set of problems , a guy has his, if we get married that just doubles the number of problems in life , unless you have something strong to pull you through all this , it’s a bad situation to get into..”
Problems additive ? arithmetically ? geometrically ? :) I dont want to judge your position from the 2 lines disregarding the rest of the post ..but I am sure you dont mean that..do you :),
No way Sharath, I’m not so selfish !!! I don’t think you guys are reading what I actually mean
,, unless you have something strong to pull you through all this
I was talking about love or even like , when I say "something strong" , when you like a person problems definitely are a non issues, I basically use this a lot with my parents when being asked to consider what I think would be a loveless arranged marriages , where anyway the girls parents play a less dominant role , of course this carries foward after the wedding with an unequal balance of responsibilities( i.e. dump yours and take up his, I have no problem sharing a guys responsibilities as long as I know that he understands the duties I have to my parents , believe me I’ve seen cases even now of this … I don’t like the Indian concept of a girl becoming a stranger at her parents place just because she’s married … )..but now thinking about it , it’s probably a bit lame, quite a few modern Indians don’t look after elderly parents anyway!!!!
But Serioulsly enough male bashing..guys ain't that bad;)
-blame the system not the people in it!!!
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